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Post by johnperko on Apr 30, 2011 14:32:26 GMT -6
i would like to see double entry in pro
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Post by wood338P on Apr 30, 2011 17:23:38 GMT -6
the rule has always been you can race one car in two classes, or two cars in two classes, but not the same class twice except when we used to do all run combos with multiple entries, or mulligan races. hope this helps
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Post by dennisgilliam on Apr 30, 2011 20:37:32 GMT -6
I don't buy the safety issue. What if a dragster loses control and runs under the back a slower door car? Should we ban dragsters? What if an all steel 66 Lemans runs into a fiberglass bodied altered? What if a guy races his dually in street and runs over a neon?
It's a risk we take when we get in the car.
And isn't this a track that allows bikes to run with cars? Which I'm all for.
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Post by brandonbergschneid on Apr 30, 2011 23:34:08 GMT -6
dennisgilliam I guess I understand your point of view to say that we take risks everytime we go to the track which is true but of all things I dislike about NHRA, I do respect the fact they are proactive about safety. If NHRA says I need to wear a bunch of fire equipment, I do it. If they say I need to certify my chassis, I do it. All of these things you have said could and would be a problem. But (and I could be wrong) I still think the biggest reason for et brakes is safety. Not one bit of this whole post will affect me at all but I don't think it is a good idea for a 4:50 car to race a 8:50 car in a weekly program.
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Post by wood338P on May 1, 2011 6:08:27 GMT -6
i agree with brandon, but i also agree with dennis.. Im going to throw out some names and numbers here. I think in the past 7-8 years, there has been one guy with a dragster who was capable of running 4.80/90 that wanted to run pro and couldnt because of the 5.70 former cutoff ( JB Fields ). I dont know exactly how fast dan smiths car can go, but ive seen it 5.80s, im sure itll go 70s. Rick shofner is 5.90-6.00. Brandon B's super bee is a 5.80 car i believe. The guys i listed about are about the 4 fastest no box racers that come down to havana. Holden English who races at charleston runs 5.50s in pro, but i have never know him to come to Havana. My point being, with the exceptions of J.B. in his dragster, your fastest pro cars for the last 7 or 8 years arent hardly faster, if faster at all than the old 5.70 cutoff. Its gonna be dangerous any way you slice it, but do you tailor to 1 or 2 guys who are fast and dont want to run a box, or do you tailor to 5,7,10 guys who are slower and want to run pro as opposed to sportsman for a measly $200. I am all for taking the 5.70 cutoff away so anyone who wants to run without a box, can.. i support that 100% because it goes back to giving the racers a choice, and the track not losing an entry. The last time i remember there being two cars getting tangled up in havana was wayne butler and dave schutte.. That was well over 20 years ago.. and those were two faster cars... The track record on saftey has been pretty clean.. and we're safer now than we've ever been. Seems like 99% of accidents at havana happen before the 500ft mark, or atleast start before the 500 ft mark. The one exception i can think of is the poor guy in the t-bucket who drug the wall for 700 ft at the nostalgia race before finally hitting the first turn off wall. I dont know exactly what happened on that run, but i can tell you from seeing the car on previous passes, people, joked, that looks like an accident waiting to happen and it found one. Common sense is the best saftey precaution there is.
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Post by dennisgilliam on May 1, 2011 7:54:35 GMT -6
dennisgilliam I guess I understand your point of view to say that we take risks everytime we go to the track which is true but of all things I dislike about NHRA, I do respect the fact they are proactive about safety. If NHRA says I need to wear a bunch of fire equipment, I do it. If they say I need to certify my chassis, I do it. All of these things you have said could and would be a problem. But (and I could be wrong) I still think the biggest reason for et brakes is safety. Not one bit of this whole post will affect me at all but I don't think it is a good idea for a 4:50 car to race a 8:50 car in a weekly program. I completely understand your side. I also follow all the safety rules. In the NHRA rule book, S/P is 7.00-11.99 7.00 has a ton of safety rules. 11.99 doesn't even need a roll bar. 7.00 is about 190? 11.99 is about 110? A difference of 80 mph. NHRA is fine with that. Pro is 9.00 to 13.99 9.00 is a certifed chassis, comp license, firesuit-you know the rest. 13.99 is a t-shirt, blue jeans and helmet. 9.00 is about 150? 13.50 is about 90? 60 mph difference. Sportsman 12.00-19.99 Which is about 65 to 110 mph |
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Post by daveroyer on May 1, 2011 19:07:44 GMT -6
I know there are several quick stick shift cars that would race more at Havana if there wasn't an et limit. That is why I don't come to Havana more, but would definitely come now that the gas prices have gone sky high. I think that Cordova has a 7.50 limit on their no/box class.
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